Friday, October 7, 2011

Gandhi was …….

 

Yahoo had an article About people snubbed  for Nobel prize.

“Thomas Edison didn't win a Nobel Prize. Neither did Gandhi. Famous snubs have stirred controversy throughout the award's history, and two winners even turned the tables by declining the famous prize.”
http://whoknew.news.yahoo.com/who-knew/nobel-prizes-2011-26837402.html#crsl=%252Fwho-knew%252Fnobel-prizes-2011-26837402.html

The first comment I saw dint understand why Gandhi would be nominated for the prize. the commenter stated that Gandhi was raciest, and gave a web site to go to as proof.

http://www.trinicenter.com/WorldNews/ghandi4.htm

This site Proceeds to Miss-inform the reader on the definition of the cast system,  and then concludes its summery with a   lie supposing to be Gandhi's opinion of the cast system.


"SUMMARY: To understand Gandhi's role towards the blacks, one requires a knowledge of Hinduism. Within the constraints, a few words on Hinduism will suffice: The caste is the bedrock of Hinduism. The Hindu term for caste is varna; which means arranging the society on a four-level hierarchy based on the skin color: The darker-skinned relegated to the lowest level, the lighter-skinned to the top three levels of the apartheid scale called the Caste System. The race factor underlies the intricate workings of Hinduism, not to mention the countless evil practices embedded within. Have no doubt, Gandhi loved the Caste system."

“The Indian caste system is a system of social stratification and social restriction in India in which communities are defined by thousands of endogamous hereditary groups called Jātis.”

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Cast system had no basis on skin color. It was based on ones ancestry.

And Gandhi was one of the administrators in the attempt to wipe out the cast system.

 

Then for their further prof of this supposed racism is the statem that Gandhi fought against the Blacks in Africa for 20years. The war that the Author of this document used is the Boer War.

The Boer War was not against Blacks it was between the British and the Boers (Dutch colonists in Africa also subjugating the Blacks and Indians).

“The Boer Wars (known in Afrikaans as Vryheidsoorlog (lit. "freedom wars")) were two wars fought between the British Empire and the two independent Boer republics, the Oranje Vrijstaat and the South African Republic (Transvaal Republiek).”From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia”

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

“Boer (  /ˈbʊər/, /ˈboʊ.ər/, or /ˈbɔər/; Afrikaans: [ˈbuːr]) is the Dutch and Afrikaans word for farmer, which came to denote the descendants of the Dutch-speaking settlers of the eastern Cape frontier[2] in Southern Africa during the 18th century, as well as those who left the Cape Colony during the 19th century to settle in the Orange Free State, Transvaal (which are together known as the Boer Republics), and to a lesser extent Natal. Their primary motivations for leaving the Cape were to escape British rule and extract themselves from the constant border wars between the British imperial government and the native tribes on the eastern frontier.”From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Boers were as white as the British.
The Indian and the black african were both incidental.

Conscription was in effect, Gandhi served in the Army medical corps. He didn't fight he tried to save lives.

Then the article tried to put down Dr King and others that respected Gandhi.

Dr King grew up in the south where he was under subjugation from the Southern White uppermost Overlords.  I Am sure he was not diluted about anything about Gandhi. Satyagraha, was the thing that Dr King found important in what Gandhi had to offer.

“. A pioneer of satyagraha, or resistance to tyranny through mass civil disobedience — a philosophy firmly founded upon ahimsa, or total nonviolence —”

As honorable and Intelligent as Dr King was I am sure he Knew that People change and that the opinion of a 16year old is not always that of a 50year old.

“Two professors of history who specialize in South Africa, Surendra Bhana and Goolam Vahed, examined this controversy in their text, The Making of a Political Reformer: Gandhi in South Africa, 1893–1914. (New Delhi: Manohar, 2005). They focus in Chapter 1, "Gandhi, Africans and Indians in Colonial Natal" on the relationship between the African and Indian communities under "White rule" and policies which enforced segregation (and, they argue, led to inevitable conflict between these communities). Of this relationship, they state that, "the young Gandhi was influenced by segregationist notions prevalent in the 1890s."[23] At the same time, they state, "Gandhi's experiences in jail seemed to make him more sensitive to their plight...the later Gandhi mellowed; he seemed much less categorical in his expression of prejudice against Africans, and much more open to seeing points of common cause. His negative views in the Johannesburg jail were reserved for hardened African prisoners rather than Africans generally."[24] However, when plans to unveil a statue of Gandhi in Johannesburg were announced, a movement unsuccessfully tried to block it because of Gandhi's racist statements.[22]

In the end Gandhi was just as much for the Rights of Black Africans as Indian.


Then The Author goes on to use deliberate miss understood statements of Gandhi's to justify this Authors opinion of Racism.

This statement:

“The Boer War had not brought home to me the horrors of war with anything like the vividness that the `rebellion' did. This was no war but a man-hunt, not only in my opinion but also in that of many Englishmen with whom I had occasion to talk. To hear every morning reports of the soldiers' rifles exploding like crackers in innocent hamlets, and to live in the midst of them, was a trial.”

is an agreement to the horror both he and many of the
“Englishmen with whom I had occasion to talk” felt about the Massacre. Not as the Author states in the document in any way a justification of the masicure.

And this statement is that criticism of the English that find the Masicure a horror but justify the same atrocity's in Egypt.

A controversy is going on in England about what the Natal Army did during the Kaffir rebellion. The people here believe that the whites of Natal perpetrated great atrocities on the Kaffirs. In reply to such critics, the Star has pointed to the doings of the Imperial Army in Egypt. Those among the Egyptian rebels who had been captured were ordered to be flogged. The flogging was continued to the limits of the victim's endurance; it took place in public and was watched by thousands of people. Those sentenced to death were also hanged at the same time. While those sentenced to death were hanging, the flogging of others was taken up. While the sentences were being executed, the relatives of the victims cried and wept until many of them swooned. If this is true, there is no reason why there should be such an outcry in England against Natal outrages.


The Author of the Article is using Gandhi's word of outrage against the English for the atrocity's committed by the British empire in both Natal and Egypt to prove his Lie of racism against Gandhi.

Coldplague on Yahoo. get the facts about a person before making comments about them. the Article you sited was just as Biased as your comment.

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